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SaturateDK 4 months ago. I think you would find these interesting. We met on OKcupid. Maybe I'm just unappealing or something but it was truly a miserable part of my life. Edit: I'm gonna add in here that most people don't have the stick-to-itiveness that most readers of this site. It's not survivorship bias if you failed times before your 1 success.
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The lottery winner who played every week for 40 years will tell you buying a ticket every week is the secret to success at winning, irrespective of the millions of people who do that and never win.
So the grandparent comment did use the term correctly. The ultimate statistical issue is about the outcome of a task biasing the incentive for testifying about the task. I don't believe. It depends on the task and how much of it is chance vs. Odds are worse than 1 in a million, so yes, I agree with your assertion that a lotto winner who played for 40 years and finally won is exhibiting survivorship bias if they claim the key to winning is playing every week. However, if I have a goal to run a 6 minute mile, and I fail times before I finally succeed.
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